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Outlines Part Deux

Thanks to everyone who gave me feedback on the ‘What exactly is an outline?’ thing. I never studied creative writing at school, so I hadn’t realized there was an official way to do them, or that those methods had left such mental scars. 

 

It certainly explains some of the condescension/hostility I’ve encountered in past conversations on the subject. 

 

For me, the message here is that the outline-haters aren’t really dissing the idea of writing a book or story on purpose, they’re rebelling against a rigid structure that bears no resemblance to what outliners like myself would ever use. Wars have been fought over less simple misunderstandings. 

 

To avoid confusion, I recommend this helpful acronym when discussing creative writing in the future:
YUOWOPMWTUTLOIPNWTMBIJATUOWYMWUTTILTHLONRTWYHIMESIWCBYGIAHDASWRDMEW

(Your understanding of what other people mean when they use terms like ‘outline’ is probably not what they mean by it, just as their understanding of what you mean when using those terms is likely to have little or no relation to what you had in mind either, so it’s worth clarifying before you get into a heated discussion about something which really doesn’t matter either way).

 

I wonder if I should get that put on a t-shirt, or submit it to Acronyms-R-Us. 


In other news:

WIP & GSHW COMPETITION
500+ words today on my sci-fi WIP for the GSHW short story competition.  Don't forget, the closing date's been extended to July 31st, so there's plenty of time if you want to enter.

COMING NEXT:

My friend [info]j_cheney ’s recent adventure at her local RWA  made me quite cross  .  More on that next time, when I plan to discuss writing and critique groups. 

 



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eneit
Jun. 23rd, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
I missed your original post, so just went and read through. All those replires reminded of something I read somewhere (probably Jennifer Fallon, but I could be wrong)

"Every writer outlines, it's just that, for some, their outline is their entire first draft."

BTW, snap on the school leaving thing *g*
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 06:59 pm (UTC)
Lol, I have a feeling it's going to be a loooong summer :)
eneit
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:10 pm (UTC)
my outlines are always sparse, no more than a sentence per chapter, and I may only have 8 - 10 chapters outlined for a story that ends up with 40 chapters. *g* A very basic roadmap, because I never did understand why Bugs Bunny didn't look at his map before he got to his destination, and realise he needed to turn left at Albequerque.

My real weakness is character descriptions, I end up with dossiers on them lol.
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:13 pm (UTC)
Mine start out that way, but even while I'm writing the first chapter, my sub-conscious is coming up with good ideas for later on :)
eneit
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
or when you see something while out pretending to have an actual life, or you hear a snippet of conversation, and your minf incorporates it into your story *g* Or the story that wants to be written after the one you're currently working on *g*
clarionj
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
YUOWOPMWTUTLOIPNWTMBIJATUOWYMWUTTILTHLONRTWYHIMESIWCBYGIAHDASWRDMEW

LOL.

Hahahaha.

I love it. I want that shirt.

And I can't believe you actually traced back all those letters ... or did you cheat somewhere in the middle?
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
Dang it! Now I have to check them again :)
marshallpayne1
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
More on that next time, when I plan to discuss writing and critique groups.

Can't wait! Please take my comments with a grain of salt, okay? ;-)
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:34 pm (UTC)
I've never needed to before. Do you plan to say something inflammatory? ;)
marshallpayne1
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
Just why I think workshops are bad. It'll be tongue in cheek though. ;-)
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)
See, now you've spoiled the surprise :(
marshallpayne1
Jun. 23rd, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
Did I mention I love writing workshops? Just for all the wrong reasons. ;-)
bogwitch64
Jun. 23rd, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
Oh, Jon...Jon, Jon, Jon...Marshall? Say something inflammatory? What would EVER make you wonder that??
sandrawickham
Jun. 23rd, 2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
That's a really catchy acronym, I'm sure it'll be all over the web soon.
jongibbs
Jun. 23rd, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I admit, it doesn't quite roll of the tongue as easily as POV or WIP, but I'm hoping it catches on :)
bogwitch64
Jun. 23rd, 2009 10:35 pm (UTC)
YUOWOPMWTUTLOIPNWTMBIJATUOWYMWUTTILTHLONRTWYHIMESIWCBYGIAHDASWRDMEW

That really would be an awesome tshirt--though when people ask what it means, I'll probably forget the whole thing!
jongibbs
Jun. 24th, 2009 10:33 am (UTC)
Lol, you'd have to some cards printed - big cards :)
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jongibbs
Jun. 24th, 2009 10:32 am (UTC)
Thank you :)
silverton
Jun. 25th, 2009 02:24 am (UTC)
I'd love a t-shirt. Very catchy.
jongibbs
Jun. 25th, 2009 10:00 am (UTC)
Thanks. I wonder if I can fit it on a pen :)
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